ITF v's WTF Tae Kwon Do

[MartialArtsGuy]

One thing to remember with Tae Kwon Do, is that there are two very
different styles of TKD. The original ITF version founded by Grand
Master General Choi Hong Hi, and the later WTF version originated by
the S Korean Gvmt. that you see today, that is most popular in the
United States. The ITF version is about 50% hands and 50% feet, with
emphasis on power and victory with one blow. ITF practitioners train
with fundamental techniques, forms, sparring, close combat self
defense, destruction (breaking) and dynamic kicking. An ITF
practitioner can destroy an opponent very quickly. Conversly the WTF
version is based heavily on competition sparring, where heavy contact
and elimination of the opponent cannot be practiced and is discouraged
because of disqualification risks. Anyone looking at the two styles
would quickly realize that the only similarity between the two styles
is the name, absolutely nothing else.
WTF style is practised by many more people around he world because it
is easy, there is very little technique and most of the emphasis is on
speed not power.
ITF style still has over 1 million students but is mainly in Western
europe Canada and South America.
There are also many many TKD wannabes, who use the name purely for
marketing purposes, these schools not only use the TKD name but also
Karate, Kung Fu, Ju Jitsu etc. etc. anything really to bring a
prospective martial arts student in the door. These unscrupulous
schools buy and learn their programs on video and teach them at high
rates.
Anyone looking to learn more about WTF or ITF Tae Kwon Do will find
these web sites useful:-
www.itf-information.com
www.wtf.org

[Neil Gatenby]

Post by MartialArtsGuy
ITF practitioners train
with fundamental techniques, forms, sparring, close combat self
defense, destruction (breaking) and dynamic kicking.

What is "dynamic kicking"?

I know what each individual word means, all by its lonesome, but I've never
seen them together.

Best wishes
Neil

[Neil Gatenby]

use high quality beef or pork roasts (it is cheaper and better to
cut up a whole roast than to buy stew meat).

1 stillbirth, de-boned and cubed
Πcup vegetable oil
2 large onions
bell pepper
celery
garlic
œ cup red wine
3 Irish potatoes
2 large carrots

This is a simple classic stew that makes natural gravy,
thus it does not have to be thickened.
Brown the meat quickly in very hot oil, remove and set aside.
Brown the onions, celery, pepper and garlic.
De-glaze with wine, return meat to the pan and season well.
Stew on low fire adding small amounts of water and
seasoning as necessary.
After at least half an hour, add the carrots and potatoes,
and simmer till root vegetables break with a fork.
Cook a fresh pot of long grained white rice.



Pre-mie Pot Pie

When working with prematurely delivered newborns (or chicken) use sherry;
red wine with beef (buy steak or roast, do not pre-boil).

Pie crust (see index)
Whole fresh pre-mie; eviscerated, head, hands and feet removed
Onions, bell pepper, celery
œ cup wine
Root vegetables of choice (turnips, carrots, potatoes, etc) cubed

Make a crust from scratch - or go shamefully to the frozen food section
of your favorite grocery and select 2 high quality pie crusts (you
will need one for the top also).
Boil the prepared delicacy until the meat starts to come off the bones.
Remove, de-bone and cube; continue to reduce the br

[Neil Gatenby]

- serve with rice, grilled smoked sausage, green salad, and iced tea.
Coffee and apple pie then brandy.



Maternity Ward Pot Luck Dinner

If you can?t get anything fresh from the hospital, nursery, or morgue;
you can at least get rid of all the leftovers in your refrigerator.

1 - 2 lbs. cubed meat (human flesh, chicken, turkey, beef...)
1 -2 lbs. coarsely chopped vegetables
(carrots, potatoes, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage...)
Bell pepper
onions
garlic
ginger
salt pepper, etc.
Olive oil
butter

Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.



Bébé Buffet 1

Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths -
and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a
hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.

Some suggestions

Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham,
Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad
Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants
Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back

[MartialArtsGuy]

Dynamic Kicking refers to the more diverse kicks that ITF TKD employs
as opposed to the more traditional Static Karate kicks that WTF TKD
derived from. E.G. Static:- Front Kick, Side kick, Round House, Axe,
Back, Reverse Hooking etc. ITF Styles also have comparitively static
kicks such as the Front, Side Front, Side Piercing, Side Thrusting,
Side Checking, Side Pushing, Side Pressing, Back Piercing, Turning,
Side Turning, Reverse Turning, Reverse Hooking, Reverse Side, Inward /
Outward Downward kicks, Offensive Hooking, Defensive Hooking, Crescent,
Vertical, Rising, Pick kicks.
There are the more diverse (dynamic kicks) such as all of the above
jumping, and flying, as well as 180, 360, 540 degree flying kicks.

[r***@remove.edu.com]

Let me guess. You are an ITFer.

[MartialArtsGuy]

Post by r***@remove.edu.com
Let me guess. You are an ITFer.

Typical response - I teach both styles

[Clothahump]

Post by MartialArtsGuy
One thing to remember with Tae Kwon Do, is that there are two very
different styles of TKD.

There are three major styles. You left out the Songahm style, founded
by Grand Master Haeng Ung Lee and practiced by members of the American
Taekwondo Association, the Songahm Taekwondo Federation and the World
Traditional Taekwondo Union.


The original ITF version founded by Grand

Post by MartialArtsGuy
Master General Choi Hong Hi, and the later WTF version originated by
the S Korean Gvmt. that you see today, that is most popular in the
United States.

---------

Actually, I don't think it is. I seem to recall that ATA's active
membership in the United States passed ITF's a couple of years ago. I
stand to be corrected on this, but I don't think ITF has caught back up
with ATA.

[MartialArtsGuy]

Grand Master Haeng Ung Lee was originally introduced to ITF TKD by
General Choi in 1955 but the current ATA is WTF based TKD hence it does
fall under one of the two major styles. Next comment, I think you were
confused about the statement. I indicated that the WTF style is most
prevalent in the US, since ATA is the WTF style the argument holds true.

[Clothahump]

humans
are no exception!

High quality marinade (Teriyaki and garlic perhaps)
1 inch cubes of tender meat, preferably from the nursery
Onions
bell peppers
Wooden or metal skewers

Marinate the meat overnight.
Get the grill good and hot while placing meat, vegetables, and
fruit such as pineapples or cherries on the skewers.
Don?t be afraid to use a variety of meats.
Grill to medium rare,
serve with garlic cous-cous and sautéed asparagus.
Coffee and sherbet for desert then walnuts, cheese, and port.
Cigars for the gentlemen (and ladies if they so desire)!



Crock-Pot Crack Baby

When the quivering, hopelessly addicted crack baby succumbs to death,
get him immediately butchered and into the crock-pot, so that any
remaining toxins will not be fatal. But don?t cook it too long,
because like Blowfish, there is a perfect medium between the poisonous
and the stimulating. Though it may not have the same effect on your
guests, a whole chicken cooked in this fashion is also mighty tasty.

1 newborn - cocaine addicted, freshly expired, cleaned and butchered
Carrots
onions
leeks
celery
bell pepper
potatoes
Salt
pepper
garlic, etc
4 cups water

Cut the meat into natural pieces and brown very well in olive oil,
remove, then brown half of the onions, the bell pepper, and celery.
When brown, mix everything into the crock-pot, and in 6 to 8 hours you
have turned a hopeless tragedy into a heartwarming meal!



George?s Bloody Mary

Don?t shy away from this one, it is simply a cocktail variation of
good old Blood Stew. When a pig is killed, its throat is slit and
those present quaff a cup of hot blood to soften the wintry air.
From the dawn of man to this day, humans have always drunk blood!
American deer hunters are a prime example.

1 pint blood
Stolichnaya vodka

[MartialArtsGuy]

its
10 to 14 months of life...

4 well chosen cutlets (from the breasts of 2 healthy neonates)
2 large lemons (fresh lemons always, if possible)
Olive oil
Green onions
Salt
pepper
cornstarch
neonate stock (chicken, or turkey stock is fine)
garlic
parsley
fresh cracked black pepper

Season and sauté the cutlets in olive oil till golden brown, remove.
Add the garlic and onions and cook down a bit.
Add some lemon juice and some zest, then de-glaze with stock.
Add a little cornstarch (dissolved in cold water) to the sauce.
You are just about there, Pour the sauce over the cutlets,
top with parsley, lemon slices and cracked pepper.
Serve with spinach salad, macaroni and cheese (homemade) and iced tea...



Spaghetti with Real Italian Meatballs

If you don?t have an expendable bambino on hand,
you can use a pound of ground pork instead.
The secret to great meatballs, is to use very lean meat.

1 lb. ground flesh; human or pork
3 lb. ground beef
1 cup finely chopped onions
7 - 12 cloves garlic
1 cup seasoned bread crumbs
œ cup milk, 2 eggs
Oregano
basil
salt
pepper
Italian seasoning, etc.
Tomato gravy (see index)
Fresh

[MartialArtsGuy]

2 white onions, 1 cup chopped celery
Vegetable oil (or hog fat)
Salt, pepper, garlic, etc.

Lightly brown onions, celery, garlic and meat in large heavy pot.
Add a little water and the greens (which should be thoroughly cleaned and washed).
Smother slowly for at least 2 hours, adding small amounts of water
when it starts to stick.
Stir frequently.
When ready - serve with rice, grilled smoked sausage, green salad, and iced tea.
Coffee and apple pie then brandy.



Maternity Ward Pot Luck Dinner

If you can?t get anything fresh from the hospital, nursery, or morgue;
you can at least get rid of all the leftovers in your refrigerator.

1 - 2 lbs. cubed meat (human flesh, chicken, turkey, beef...)
1 -2 lbs. coarsely chopped vegetables
(carrots, potatoes, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage...)
Bell pepper
onions
garlic
ginger
salt pepper, etc.
Olive oil
butter

Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
Ser

[r***@remove.edu.com]

with prematurely delivered newborns (or chicken) use sherry;
red wine with beef (buy steak or roast, do not pre-boil).

Pie crust (see index)
Whole fresh pre-mie; eviscerated, head, hands and feet removed
Onions, bell pepper, celery
œ cup wine
Root vegetables of choice (turnips, carrots, potatoes, etc) cubed

Make a crust from scratch - or go shamefully to the frozen food section
of your favorite grocery and select 2 high quality pie crusts (you
will need one for the top also).
Boil the prepared delicacy until the meat starts to come off the bones.
Remove, de-bone and cube; continue to reduce the broth.
Brown the onions, peppers and celery.
Add the meat then season, continue browning.
De-glaze with sherry, add the reduced broth.
Finally, put in the root vegetables and simmer for 15 minutes.
Allow to cool slightly.
Place the pie pan in 375 degree oven for a few minutes so bottom crust is not soggy,
reduce oven to 325.
Fill the pie with stew, place top crust and with a fork, seal the crusts together
then poke holes in top.
Return to oven and bake for 30 minutes, or until pie crust is golden brown.



Sudden Infant Death Soup

SIDS: delicious in winter, comparable to old fashioned Beef and Vegetable Soup.
Its free, you can sell the crib, baby clothes, toys, stroller... and so easy to
procure if such a lucky find is at hand (just pick him up from the crib and
he?s good to go)!

[Clothahump]

with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the
service stations.



Roast Leg of Amputee

By all means, substitute lamb or a good beef roast if the haunch
it is in any way diseased. But sometimes surgeons make mistakes,
and if a healthy young limb is at hand, then don?t hesitate to cook
it to perfection!

1 high quality limb, rack, or roast
Potatoes, carrot
Oil
celery
onions
green onions
parsley
garlic
salt, pepper, etc
2 cups beef stock

Marinate meat (optional, not necessary with better cuts).
Season liberally and lace with garlic cloves by making incisions,
and placing whole cloves deep into the meat.
Grease a baking pan, and fill with a thick bed of onions,
celery, green onions, and parsley.
Place roast on top with fat side up.
Place uncovered in 500° oven for 20 minutes, reduce oven to 325°.
Bake till medium rare (150°) and let roast rest.
Pour stock over onions and drippings, carve the meat and
place the slices in the au jus.



Bisque à l?Enfant

Honor the memory of Grandma with this dish by utilizing her good
silver soup tureen and her great grandchildren (crawfish, crab or
lobster will work just as well, however this dish is classically
made with crawfish).

Stuffed infant heads, stuffed crawfish heads, stuffed crab or lobster shells;
make patties if shell or head is not available

[Earl Camembert]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:27:51 UTC, "MartialArtsGuy"

Post by MartialArtsGuy
WTF style is practised by many more people around he world because it
is easy, there is very little technique and most of the emphasis is on
speed not power.

Speed is what creates power. If you don't know that you don't know.

[Jake Speed]

Post by Earl Camembert
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:27:51 UTC, "MartialArtsGuy"

Post by MartialArtsGuy
WTF style is practised by many more people around he world because it
is easy, there is very little technique and most of the emphasis is on
speed not power.

Speed is what creates power. If you don't know that you don't know.

Nope. Speed and power are different animals. Both contribute to the
transfer of energy at impact, but are different.

Take board breaking as an example. Ever see someone throw a slow kick
or punch that completely shatters the board? Or a really fast
technique that bounce off the board?

[Tom Swiss]

Post by Jake Speed
Nope. Speed and power are different animals. Both contribute to the
transfer of energy at impact, but are different.

People refer to two very different things as "speed": the time it
takes to execute a technique, and the velocity of the striking surface
at impact. Call them "speed1" and "speed2".

A jab is a "faster" technique under the first defintion, it has
speed1, even though it's quite possible that a reverse punch is moving
faster at impact and is thus has more speed2.

A technique with speed1 often has less time to accelerate, and thus
less speed2. Going 100 feet in my car is a "fast" trip; but if I held
the pedal to the metal I'd be going much "faster" at the end of a
quarter-mile straight track than I was at the end of the 100 foot one.

Speed2 is the v in the "1/2 mv^2" of kinetic energy, and all other
things being equal (which is rare!) a faster technique has more impact
energy (and thus, to a first approximation, more power). It's lack means
a technique that has no effect when it hits.

Speed1 is the "fast hands" that allow you to hit before the
opponent can defend. It's lack means a technique that the opponent may
see coming and be able to avoid.

===Tom Swiss/tms(at)infamous.net===http://www.infamous.net==="Born to die"===
"What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" - Nick Lowe
"Power to the Peaceful" - Michael Franti

[Matthew Weigel]

Post by Tom Swiss

Post by Jake Speed
Nope. Speed and power are different animals. Both contribute to the
transfer of energy at impact, but are different.

People refer to two very different things as "speed": the time it
takes to execute a technique, and the velocity of the striking surface
at impact. Call them "speed1" and "speed2".

They refer to three very different things as speed, actually. You
forgot 'reaction speed.' The time between when you think you've begun
executing a technique and your opponent has responded to it.

Post by Tom Swiss
A jab is a "faster" technique under the first defintion, it has
speed1, even though it's quite possible that a reverse punch is moving
faster at impact and is thus has more speed2.

And speed, by itself, is nowhere *near* the sum total of what's
important in 'power' - by which people mean 'damage to the opponent.'
That said, however...

Post by Tom Swiss
A technique with speed1 often has less time to accelerate, and thus
less speed2. Going 100 feet in my car is a "fast" trip; but if I held
the pedal to the metal I'd be going much "faster" at the end of a
quarter-mile straight track than I was at the end of the 100 foot one.

This is a pretty shitty analogy for punching, where the distances are
nearly indistinguishable. By this analogy, it would seem that one-inch
punches (as one example) shouldn't be able to generate noticeable power.

For instance, consider follow-through: the principle that contributes so
much to a home run hit will contribute a whole lot to a solid clubbing
to the head. It will also contribute to a good punch. The speed of
your fist at contact doesn't play a damned diddly fiddle in that.

[Tom Swiss]

Post by Matthew Weigel
This is a pretty shitty analogy for punching, where the distances are
nearly indistinguishable.

It's a simplification, to be sure. And as I said, it's rare that
all other things are equal; certainly in a jab versus a reverse punch
there's usually a lot more mass coupled to the reverse punch, and the
snap of a jab versus the thrust of a gyaku tsuki give different sorts of
collisions.

But distances indistinguishable? If I take up a typical formal
"fighting stance" with my right hand cocked all the way back and my left
hand out to guard, the distance from my right fist to my opponent can be
around twice that of my left fist. And the circumference traveled by a
circular technique, like a big overhand knifehand strike, can be half
again as long as that of a chambered punch. (Assume a quarter-cirlce
path, 2*pi*r/4 or about 1.6 r, where r is the length of the arm.)

Post by Matthew Weigel
By this analogy, it would seem that one-inch
punches (as one example) shouldn't be able to generate noticeable power.

While a skilled practitioner can generate a lot of power with a
small technique, they can generate several times as much with a large
technique. Oyama could probably knock any of us down with a one-inch
punch, but he didn't kill that bull with one. (It was a big ol' shuto,
IIRC. Using this example shouldn't be taken to imply I approve of
beating up animals.)

If I were to expand my car analogy, perhaps someone who can do a good
one-inch punch is a nitro-burning drag racer rather than my little Toyota
Tercel. That drag racer will be going pretty fast after 100 feet - but it
will be going faster still after 200, 300, 400, et cetera.

(Again, all other things aren't always equal, and there are people who
have a strong one-inch punch but not a strong full-length chambered one.)

Post by Matthew Weigel
For instance, consider follow-through: the principle that contributes so
much to a home run hit will contribute a whole lot to a solid clubbing
to the head. It will also contribute to a good punch. The speed of
your fist at contact doesn't play a damned diddly fiddle in that.

Sure it does. "Follow-through" just means you keep the force on during
the time of contact, which means it continues to speed up (or doesn't slow
down or slows down less, depending) during that time of contact.

Once the ball has left the bat, it doesn't care whether you
continue the motion of your swing or not; but the way the body works, to
get the most force during contact you're going to be moving in a way
that continues to apply the force after contact is over.

===Tom Swiss/tms(at)infamous.net===http://www.infamous.net==="Born to die"===
"What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" - Nick Lowe
"Power to the Peaceful" - Michael Franti

[Matthew Weigel]

Post by Tom Swiss
certainly in a jab versus a reverse punch
there's usually a lot more mass coupled to the reverse punch,

You are confusing teaching idiom ('put your mass/body into it') with
kinetics. The amount of mass rigid and moving forward at velocity is
not significantly different between a jab and a cross or reverse punch.
In both, the fist, arm, and shoulder move forward; in both, the torso
does not move forward.

Post by Tom Swiss
But distances indistinguishable? If I take up a typical formal
"fighting stance" with my right hand cocked all the way back and my left
hand out to guard, the distance from my right fist to my opponent can be
around twice that of my left fist.

It's still not that different.

But, let me rephrase: the distance has nothing to do with the 'power.'

Post by Tom Swiss
And the circumference traveled by a
circular technique, like a big overhand knifehand strike, can be half
again as long as that of a chambered punch. (Assume a quarter-cirlce
path, 2*pi*r/4 or about 1.6 r, where r is the length of the arm.)

Perhaps you should reconsider trying to discuss the relative ability to
increase velocity using circular paths.

Post by Tom Swiss

Post by Matthew Weigel
By this analogy, it would seem that one-inch
punches (as one example) shouldn't be able to generate noticeable power.

While a skilled practitioner can generate a lot of power with a
small technique, they can generate several times as much with a large
technique.

That wasn't the claim of the people generating the power with the small
techniques. In fact, their claim was that the power generation all
occurred in a fairly short span of distance, and requiring more distance
was simply a sign of not having everything coordinated as well as it
could.

Post by Tom Swiss
If I were to expand my car analogy, perhaps someone who can do a good
one-inch punch is a nitro-burning drag racer rather than my little Toyota
Tercel. That drag racer will be going pretty fast after 100 feet - but it
will be going faster still after 200, 300, 400, et cetera.

That's another piss-poor analogy. Drag racers burn out pretty quick,
actually. However, while attacking your analogy might suggest where
your actual claim fails, it doesn't show it.

Biomechanics shows it. Muscles have finite, very short, ranges of
motion through which they can apply force. With something as
complicated as a punch, the ranges of motion (from the calf up to the
tricep) coordinate to generate the final power. The calf pushes, the
thigh muscles alternately contract and relax, the hip turns, the torso
tightens, and so on- lots of small movements with small ranges of motion.

They can not continue doing that for very long, and in fact they can do
everything they can do very quickly. More significantly, their ranges
of motion have *nothing* to do with the path the fist travels. The only
thing that is relevant to the distance the fist travels is the tricep.

Looking at it this way also points out something significant about the
reverse punch from the hip: the motion of bringing the fist up actually
requires flexing the *bicep*, antagonistically to the tricep, until you
begin straightening out the arm (at which point the bicep has to relax
in double time). That's an added coordination complexity in the
technique not present in a cross: it requires more coordination
contract, and then relax, the bicep within the correct time frames to
avoid countering the force of the tricep.

Post by Tom Swiss

Post by Matthew Weigel
For instance, consider follow-through: the principle that contributes so

<snip>

Post by Tom Swiss
Sure it does. "Follow-through" just means you keep the force on during
the time of contact, which means it continues to speed up (or doesn't slow
down or slows down less, depending) during that time of contact.

Right. It has nothing to do with distance, though. Regardless of how
fast your fist is moving when it makes contact, the vast majority of
what generates 'power' happens after contact is made. The 'power' of
that initial velocity, in fact, pales in comparison: you can only move
your fist so fast, and you'll rapidly reach that limit before making
contact. Greater strength, however, can make a big impact on how long
you can maintain that speed against resistance.

Post by Tom Swiss
Once the ball has left the bat, it doesn't care whether you
continue the motion of your swing or not; but the way the body works, to
get the most force during contact you're going to be moving in a way
that continues to apply the force after contact is over.

No, there's no "but" there - the point of followthrough with batting is
to maintain contact with the ball, and continue to apply force. The
point of followthrough with punching is to maintain contact with the
opponent, and continue to apply force.

[Leslie Richardson]

Post by Earl Camembert
Speed is what creates power. If you don't know that you don't know.

Oh course, when grappling, speed counts for virtually nothing compared
to strength and technique ... but I wouldn't expect a pure TKD type to
understand that ;)

Leslie

[MartialArtsGuy]

Generally the acceleration and the mass of the object produces the
power. The mental focus of the student provides the capability to
break using techniques, but this cannot be achieved without the initial
acceleration. To accelerate means that the attacking tool (fist)
travels faster and faster towards the target, upon impact the energy
continues into the target and destroys it. If there is constant speed
the target can still be destroyed but with diminished power. WTF
techniques focus more on speed i.e. getting to the target as fast as
possible, hitting and retracting back, rather than on causing internal
damage to the opponent. There are other factors, but essentially we
were discussing the differences between WTF and ITF. When it comes down
to it, the ITF techniques will destroy more wood / concrete than WTF
simply because that is the ITF focus - power not "speed".

[Neil Gatenby]

Post by Jake Speed

Post by Earl Camembert

Post by MartialArtsGuy
speed not power.

Speed is what creates power. If you don't know that you don't know.

Nope. Speed and power are different animals.

My twopenneth ...

power is proper technique, applied at speed.

inproper technique applied at speed, or proper technique applied slowly do
not result in power.

The maths of the thing relates to "impulsive forces", where the integral is
with respect to the inverse of time (so the less time you spend in contact,
when striking, the better). But if that large "1/dt" term is swamped by a
small force being applied, then you again lose power. Large force over a
small time of impact is optimal.

Cheers
Neil

[Neil Gatenby]

Post by Leslie Richardson

Post by Earl Camembert
Speed is what creates power. If you don't know that you don't know.

Oh course, when grappling, speed counts for virtually nothing compared
to strength and technique ... but I wouldn't expect a pure TKD type to
understand that ;)

First off, we are discussing power generation, not "what counts" in any
particular fight.

Secondly, when grappling, it is typically speed and subtlety of application
that wins the day. If you slowly try to apply something, they will see it
coming and act accordingly. If you try something speedily, but smash it on
so they cannot fail to feel it coming, they act accordingly. Only when you
sneakily suggest you're gonna do one thing and then quickly do another do
you succeed.

I'm ignoring strength here. You can be as unsubtle and slow as you like if
you're a LOT stronger than your opponent, and strikes to slow you down are
not allowed.

Best wishes

Neil (not strong!, quite fast!!)

[Don Geddis]

Post by Neil Gatenby
when grappling, it is typically speed and subtlety of application
that wins the day. If you slowly try to apply something, they will see it
coming and act accordingly. If you try something speedily, but smash it on
so they cannot fail to feel it coming, they act accordingly. Only when you
sneakily suggest you're gonna do one thing and then quickly do another do
you succeed.

While sneaky & speed can be good, I think you underestimate a slow grappling
game. If you have excellent technique, stay tight, and continuously apply
pressure, you can be a very effective grappler even moving very slowly.
And even if you aren't much stronger than your opponent.

It doesn't matter if they see it coming, if they can't stop it.

-- Don
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Don Geddis ***@bjj.org http://bjj.org/
It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception,
is composed of others. -- John Andrew Holmes