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dit dat jow
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Don Wagner
2005-12-13 16:13:14 UTC
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I'm looking for some authoritative resoruces describing dit dat jow
recipes and ingredients.
Chas has some good ones.
What do you use and where do you get it or the ingredients?
The thing is not to poison yourself making them. Everything can be
picked up at a TCM herbalist in any city with a good size "chinatown"
district. On-line sources are available but the quality can be hit or
miss. Just like the storefronts obviously.

There are many types of jow as well. Bone healing, bruising,
flexibilty enhancers, muscle relaxants, etc.

What do you need?
--Don--
I made allies in Heaven
I made comrades in Hell
~ Jim Carroll
Neil Gatenby
2005-12-13 20:40:25 UTC
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From: Lars D. Nooden
I'm looking for some authoritative resoruces describing dit dat jow
recipes and ingredients.
What do you use and where do you get it or the ingredients?
Sure

- go to groups.google.com
- navigate your way to rec.martial-arts.moderated
- put "dit dat jow recipe" into the search bar

I find this post from Gints K ...

Cheers
Neil

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

These liniments vary greatly. Some of the Muay Thai people around me
swear by it. Some other people apply it sporadically. Personally, I
have never tried any because I wonder about the ingredient list.
Neurotoxins
applied topically do reduce pain. Cyanide does a fine job, even as
a method for paralyzing fish during collection for export to hobbyists.
I'm pretty sure that cyanide is found in apple and apricot seeds. I've
also heard that raw almonds are also toxic. So, if any of these liniments
contain cyanide, you'll probably notice a reduction in sensation because
you're killing the nerves in the area of application !!! Consider
Ben Gay instead of magical ointments with magical but possibly mildly
toxic ingredients.
From "Inside Kung-Fu" October 1995
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Recipe for Chi Li San
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Defatted Croton Seed Power 5g
Frankincense 5g
Myrrh 5g
Resina Draconis 5g
Natural Copper (Crushed) 5g
Sodium Borate 5g
Tuber of Pinellia 5g
Radix Angelica Sinensis 10g

Iron Hitting Wine Recipe (Dit Ta Jow)
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Camphor (crushed) 10g
Raw Fruit of Cape Jasmine 5g
Raw Root of Kusenoff (no mass listed)
Monkshood 25g
Raw Aconite Root 25g
Raw Tuber of Jackinthepulpit 25g
Raw Pinella Tuber 25g
Cattail Pollen 25g
Raw Chinese Quince 200g
Raw Rhubarb 150g
Root-Bark of slender style acanthopanax 100g
Rhizome of incised notopterygium 200g
Root of double teeh pubescent angelica 200g
Root of Red Peony 150g

Zheng Gu Shui
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active ingredient: Menthol
Don Wagner
2005-12-14 15:56:51 UTC
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: Chas has some good ones.
What is the URL for Chas?
His email is ***@comcast.net and I'm sure he'll be happy to
help.

Neil posted a good resource as well.

btw, I'd highly recommendbuying rather then making. As someone who
likes to experiment, this isn't an easy process.
--Don--
I made allies in Heaven
I made comrades in Hell
~ Jim Carroll
Rabid Weasel
2005-12-14 19:08:04 UTC
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Post by Don Wagner
I'm looking for some authoritative resoruces describing dit dat jow
recipes and ingredients.
http://www.kenponet.com/flame/business/general/gen_ddj.html
http://www.kumojiujitsu.com/orientalmedicine-recipes.htm
http://www.aikidofaq.com/making/dit_da_jao.html
http://www.wingchun.org/txt/misc/jow2.html
http://www.sonic.net/acumed/liniment/ditda/index.htm
http://www.wingchun.org/txt/misc/jow.html
Post by Don Wagner
What do you need?
Hey Don,

Weren't you going to post a receipt you had for an 18th or 19th C.
American jow-like rub?

Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
Jerry B. Altzman
2005-12-19 16:30:49 UTC
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Add salt to apple cider vinegar untill you have a semi-moist, rough
mash.
People with whom I work out suggest:

Pickle brine.
--Don--
//jbaltz
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thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Rabid Weasel
2005-12-19 23:16:53 UTC
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Post by Jerry B. Altzman
Pickle brine.
Pickle brine is a traditional boxers application. Shows up in one or two
of the old Pugilism manuals. I've tried it for a while but wasn't
terribly impressed with the results. 'Course I'm not usually impressed
with the results of most jow-type applications.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Rabid Weasel
2005-12-19 23:17:12 UTC
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Add salt to apple cider vinegar untill you have a semi-moist, rough
mash.
Is this the whole recipe? My usenet server doesn't carry Don's post and
it's not showing up in Google either.

Feel free to e-mail me: lawson at dayton dot net

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
Glyn
2005-12-20 19:13:46 UTC
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Post by Rabid Weasel
Is this the whole recipe? My usenet server doesn't carry Don's post and
it's not showing up in Google either.
One of the ones that I have is very simple. This is Colonial America
according to the source that I read it from, but who knows how old it
really is.
This is good for bruising and sprains.
Add salt to apple cider vinegar untill you have a semi-moist, rough
mash.
Gently massage this into the sore area and then wrap in a towel.
Apply twice a day.
Feel free to e-mail me: lawson at dayton dot net
Kirk
Would you happen to be the Kirk Lawson mentioned in the acknowledgements of
The Bartitsu Compendium, by any chance? It looks an excellent read - but as
yet I have restrained myself from more than dipping into it to leave me
something to entertain myself with over Christmas (hence paying more
attention than normal to the frontispiece!).
Rabid Weasel
2005-12-20 20:47:17 UTC
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Post by Glyn
Post by Rabid Weasel
Is this the whole recipe? My usenet server doesn't carry Don's post and
it's not showing up in Google either.
One of the ones that I have is very simple. This is Colonial America
according to the source that I read it from, but who knows how old it
really is.
This is good for bruising and sprains.
Add salt to apple cider vinegar untill you have a semi-moist, rough
mash.
Gently massage this into the sore area and then wrap in a towel.
Apply twice a day.
Many thanks Glyn!
Post by Glyn
Post by Rabid Weasel
Feel free to e-mail me: lawson at dayton dot net
Kirk
Would you happen to be the Kirk Lawson mentioned in the acknowledgements of
The Bartitsu Compendium, by any chance?
Tony gave me an acknowledgment?!?! That sure was nice of him.

Umm... I mean, yeah, that's me. I hang out over on the Bartitsu forum
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bartitsu_forum) and have assisted in some
small ways.
Post by Glyn
It looks an excellent read - but as
yet I have restrained myself from more than dipping into it to leave me
something to entertain myself with over Christmas (hence paying more
attention than normal to the frontispiece!).
I'm supposed to be getting mine for Christmas itself. It's been hard
restraining myself from getting a copy and trumping my wife's Gift Giving.

:-)

Do you know about the video presentation from the Cumann Bhata Western
Martial Arts Seminar?

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

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